Thursday, June 25, 2009

Should You Change Your Own Blood Pressure Medicine Dosing?

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A reader wants to know

I am on blood pressure medicine for HBP. In the last few days my blood pressure has been pretty low. I probably could fix this by reducing or eliminating the medication. I don't want to bother my doctor, but I'm reluctant to substitute my judgment for his on this matter. The problem is, I don't know what all he has in mind in prescribing the medication. If I call his nurse for advice she will want me to come in.

He's already reduced the medication once before. At that time he did not give me instructions to reduce it on my own, so I'm thinking he might expect me to call him. The last time I had this problem, the nurse suggested he was going to change medications, but he didn't, he reduced the dose instead.

Is this something I should just be managing myself, or does my doctor need to make the decision every time? I don't mind going in, but I don't want to bother him, either, with trivial problems. 

I think I may have answered my own question. If the nurse can't anticipate what he's going to do, how can I be expected to know what to do?

I would still appreciate any insight you have into how doctors think, especially on blood pressure maintenance.


Low blood pressure is not a trivial problem.  If you have other medical problems it can cause angina.  It can cause stroke.  Perhaps kidney failure.  Syncope.  Trauma.  Electrolyte disturbances.  Arrhythmias.  Kidney stones.  Blood pressure management has many fine nuances that should be considered when adjusting or changing medications.  These include age, medical conditions, lifestyle, genetics, race, weight, side effects, interactions.

I actually believe an individual should have the right to purchase all their own medications and manage them as they see fit and seek medical opinions on their own terms.  We are free to consume toxic waste on a daily basis and smoke till our hearts desire, but we can't order our own thyroid medication (unless you have the luxury of being a physician).

So, if it was me, I would seek the opinion of a physician before changing a blood pressure medication due to the complexities in the decision making that never make it past the conscious thought process of the physician.    Thought processes that are complicated on many different levels.  Thought processes that you will never hear your physician discuss.  It looks easy on the surface but I can assure you,  much goes into the thought processes of medical decision making, decision making that will never be documented anywhere. 

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Frank Drackman said...

Are you REALLY a doctor??? I know, you admit you could just be a 16 yr old kid stockin shelves at Blockbuster...but this post makes me think you really are... Cause if you've ever treated someone with Hypertension you know that they'll consider 150/100 "low". I've been practicing for 20 years and never realized how complicated it was..(Maybe thats why I'm still practicing) BP too high? Increase doseage, and/or add med, too low? pretty rare in my experience unless they just had an MI or ran into OJ Simpson, decrease doseage and/or stop meds... Just curious...how does "Race" come into your decision making??? Prescribe generics for Jews? Watermelon flavored lasix for Blacks? Never realized BP discriminated...and do you EVER post without slamming tobacco??? Get back to stockin your shelves...

Frank

Anonymous said...

Happy, you kinda left the planet on that last paragraph.
-SCNS

Anonymous said...

Stress test. Call Nurse K.

Fend for yourself said...

The reason he will be asked to come into the office is because, as stated before, physicians don't get paid for phone calls. Its no bother to the physician, my friend, but it'll likely be a bother to you. Sure, the official medical opinion is going to be, call your PCP before you adjust your meds, as it well should be. But this reader probably should be aware that in fee for service medicine, this is what happens.

Anonymous said...

Thanks, Dr. Happy. I asked the question. Let me address some of the readers' comments.

Cause if you've ever treated someone with Hypertension you know that they'll consider 150/100 "low".

Frank, I have high blood pressure, but I know what low is. I purposely did not post a value because I didn't want to create any sense of seeking specific recommendations from any of you doctors. Thank you, Dr. Happy, for crediting me with enough smarts to know what low is. My systolic has been averaging less than 80. I had several systolics in the 70's. A reading that I got on several occasions was 75/57; both numbers have been lower than that several times. I also had quite a bit of light-headedness. I believe this is too low. Correct me, Frank, if I am wrong.

But this reader probably should be aware that in fee for service medicine, this is what happens.

I have no problem paying for this. My co-pay to my PCP is less than what I pay to have the yard mowed. That is a frickin' deal. In fact, my PCP has managed to get me to the point where I can mow the yard myself, so I'm actually ahead, financially, by several hundred dollars since I started seeing him.

I saw him Monday, and he reduced my medication. While I was there he took care of another problem I was having, and addressed some of my concerns about upcoming surgery. A three-for-one bargain. Medical care is such a deal in this country. I have a private insurance policy--no employer to rely on. Even with my low income, it's still a deal. I might qualify for Medicaid, don't know, but I like the care I get with my private policy better than the government plan.

Dr. Happy, thank you for the information. It was eye-opening. I think it is easy for the lay person to slip into thinking "blood pressure can never be too low," so it was educational to hear how serious it could be. I see that I need to stay more on top of this.

Frank Drackman said...

Systolics in the 70's??? I'd stay away from Doctors too cause they'll start doin Chest Compressions on Ya... And I wouldn't ask Happy in any instance cause you probably smoke (or used to smoke) or don't exercise, and he couldn't order any of his Internists worthless tests without putting you into shock... I'm still bettin the "hundred's" digit is burned out on your BP monitor, (I've seen it more than a few times) and your true systolic is in the 170's... Seriously...75/57?? that means your pulse pressure is a mere 18mm Hg...somethings just not right with the data..but what do I know? I work at Pizza Hut...

Frank

Anonymous said...

And I wouldn't ask Happy in any instance cause you probably smoke (or used to smoke) or don't exercise,

I do not now smoke; I have never smoked. I have found the habit completely disgusting as far back as I can remember, which is about age 4 or so. I exercise vigorously 4-5 times a week for 45 minutes to an hour, sometimes more.


I'm still bettin the "hundred's" digit is burned out on your BP monitor, (I've seen it more than a few times)

I'll take that bet, because I saw the machine register 102 just yesterday. Besides, the systolic display is the one that is used for the count up/count down, and the machine automatically goes up to 140, regardless of how low my pressure is, so I see the hundred's digit several times a week. It is not burned out.


somethings just not right with the data..but what do I know?

Well I have some theories on the data. When I was in college my BP measured 70/60. Repeatedly. While I was standing up. So one of my theories is that somehow my body just is able to function at that pressure that would be unusual for others.

Also, I said that I have been light-headed, which fits with the blood pressure values I'm seeing. I haven't fainted, but my long history with low blood pressure has made me alert to the possibility, and I do what I need to do, probably a lot subconsciously, to keep from blacking out.

The high blood pressure is a relatively new thing, but it runs in the family. Many of my ancestors, including both of my parents, died of strokes. I have to keep a watch on my pressure.

As far as what you know, it would appear that many of your assumptions about my health and activities are wrong. Could that be because you don't actually do an H&P on patients? I'm sure you're a much better doctor than you let on.

Frank Drackman said...

What is this H&P you refer to??

Frank Drackman said...

You might try measuring your Blood Pressure in SI units like they do in the NEJM... Its 133 Pascals per millimeter of Mercury... Now your 70 systolic is over 9000!!!! You think I'm just bein a Dick but that'll be standard of care in a few years...

Frank

Nurse K said...

Congratulations, the exercise worked.

Anonymous said...

Congratulations, the exercise worked.

Sorry to burst your bubble, Dr. K, but it was not the exercise that caused my BP to plummet. It was a change in diet and possibly the addition of a magnesium compound as a supplement. I assure you, if I started eating junk food today, my BP would take off again.

Why would you make such a statement with almost zero information? You can't possibly know what is affecting my blood pressure.

Anonymous said...

Because she is an expert on anything and everything.

She's an ER TRIAGE nurse dammit!

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