Dr Kevin is reporting that Michael Jackson may have died after receiving a dose of Demerol (generic meperidine). Demerol has all but been banned from Happy's Hospital. If any patient comes in on it our pharmacists are on me like a hawk to change it to something else, especially in our elderly population. It has metabolites that hang around and can cause bad side effects. It is also used by many folks to get high (apparently to a different degree than other narcs).
As I mentioned in my post on Michael's death, I'm not convinced it was a "heart attack" as some news outlets are reporting. He just doesn't fit the profile for coronary artery disease. With that said narcotic drug overdose is certainly a plausible explanation for his death.
Let me give you a story. I was doing my normal daily rounds on a patient when I walked in and just stopped. I stopped and I listened. I looked for signs of life in my 67 year old man who was admitted with abdominal pain. I stood there. Watching. Calmly observing.
It struck me as odd. For a full thirty seconds I saw my patient breath exactly one time. I turned on the lights and noted a remarkable physical finding (another reason to always turn on the lights). Cyanosis. A physical finding in which the skin turns purple due to an increase in deoxyhemoglobin in the capillaries (I will never forget the cause of cyanosis due to my exposure to one of the greatest pimping attendings of all times).
So I calmly walked out of the room, walked to the nurses station and stated calmly:
"One of my patients is about to code. What would you like me to do?"
This is probably the quickest way to get a nurse to jump out of their chair and come bedside to your assistance. I think in retrospect I lost the golden opportunity of a lifetime to pull the code chord and watch every nurse on that floor flock to my room with me standing there saying
"What would you ladies and gentleman like to do about my dying patient?"
This patient, perhaps just like Michael Jackson, was heading to Heaven at the hands of IV morphine, being used to treat an abdominal pain which certainly would not take his life. It was nurse administered, not patient controlled analgesia (the pain pump or better known as the PCA). Not every patient will respond equally to the same dose of medication. No matter how many protocols or protections are in place, we can not prevent 100% of our patients from not experiencing an adverse event. This is one such example. The fact that only a handful of my patients a year experience a complication from IV narcotics is a pat on the back to Happy's Hospital for getting rigorous safety protocols in place.
A PCA is a pump filled with narcotic, set to only deliver a maximum amount of medicine every defined period of time, which is activated by a button the patient carries near them. If the machine is set to only allow one dose every eight minutes, pushing the button a hundred times in eight minutes will only deliver one dose in eight minutes. The beauty of the PCA is that as the patient gets sleepy, the patient stops pushing the button. This is why family should NEVER EVER EVER nor should nurses NEVER EVER EVER push the PCA button for the patient. If they cannot push their own button, they should not have a PCA and nurse administered narcotics should be the route of choice.
My patient had nurse administered narcotics. Several times a year, for just me, I will have patients who experience life threatening respiratory depression from intravenous (and sometimes even oral) doses of narcotics. They are not to be taken lightly. The antagonist for narcotic overdose is Narcan. Sometimes multiple doses must be administered as it gets "consumed". Most patients will wake up very quickly, often in a fit of rage and delirium and no long standing side effects are experienced.
However, sometimes if the respiratory depression consumes the patient, irreversible cardiac ischemia or deadly arrythmias may present themselves, leading to the patient's death. It's the same reason heroin addicts die. They suppress the breathing centers of their brain and they stop breathing. A heroin overdose, is in fact quite a peaceful way to die.
I think I've delved into my hospitalist experience with IV narcotics enough. I think the real question needs to be asked. Why is any doctor prescribing and administering daily Demerol to any one, Michael Jackson or otherwise. Happy's nurse coordinator believes he may have had fibromylagia.
How's that for the official cause of death. Michael Jackson, dead at the age of 50, from fibromyalgia.










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I totally agree, but not Fibromyagia. I watched a documentary years ago and he was diagnosed with Lupus, almost the same. I have chronic Fibromyagia and understand totally how he got caught up in the painkiler, drug stuff and to all you non- believers my 52 year old sister died of it two years ago, You are the idiots. Pathetic non -believers you all deserve to have it then you'd know.
Dramatization which has led directly to his loss of credibility amongst his peers (on the blogosphere). I think HH is the loser on this one.
The people whose esteem might actually matter are not ranting about this. Either they are not reading or they weren't too stupid to understand the point. Sorry you got taken in, Liz, but I don't think Happy's reputation with the people who count is in any danger whatsoever. This blog written for entertainment value only. That's what Happy has said repeatedly. Get a sense of humor and relax.
You, sir, are a royal idiot! You remind me of the most green resident we get in our CVICU, but even worse. You cost your patient precious time by calmly watching them and then strolling to the nurses station before telling someone something was wrong. Time is brain and heart when oxygen is lacking.
Secondly, while the narcotic is nurse administered, YOU are the one prescribing dose and frequency. Nurses rarely give patients narcotics EARLY which means your patient suffered from too much morphine in their system because of YOU, not the nurse. And as for PCAs, a patient can still overdose on them because not everyone gets sleepy with narcotics or that last dose they request before they pass out could be the one that pushes them over the edge.
You could clearly benefit from more CME classes on narcotic dosing and on ACLS protocol, as well as a course on how to NOT pretend you are god.
I have to agree. ABC's, man. If you're in the room with a patient about to code, get an airway. You sound like a self important jerk in this article.
And for the record, the first doctor on the code usually runs the code, unless they feel completely inadequate to run a code. At the least, since you prescribe narcotics, you should have known to hit the code light, bag the patient, and ask for narcan.
Maybe it's because at my hospital, we act as co-workers and professionals, but a doctor who acted like that during a life threatening situation would be facing a professional review board. Yes, the patient obviously should have been more closely monitored, but rather than leave your DYING PATIENT'S SIDE, you should have grabbed an ambu bag, called the code, and helped the patient.
Too funny. I remember years ago at my first interview for my first ever nursing job. One of the questions asked invovled this exact scenerio and "what would you do". My answer "bag and pull the cord to get help". I have to wonder if I would have gotten the job if I answers "walk calmly to the nurses station and ask what to do". I doubt it.
Reading your blog makes me greatful that a hospitalist like you would never venture to our unit. In fact, when one did, he was run off to never return again. Because, when I say "she is getting ready to seize", I don't want someone who is going to stand there smugly and only proclaim "well her labs are fine, you are overreacting" and then complain "they were sitting on her all night" then walk out the door. I want someone who has their head out of their butt enough to know that she just walked in the door...and who knows enough to know that, while this isn't his area, we (collectively as nurses) have been doing this long enough to know an eclamptic seizure when we see one...and NOT walk out the door with a smugness that should be reserved only for picking up a chick at a bar who thinks that having MD after your name links you to God. That way, when the patient in sent to the ICU (post seizure) in full blown DIC, you won't look stupid...and get your butt chewed by every nurse around for being a major dufuss. Everyone is happy that way. Or at least happier then when you, not only walk out of the room smugly, but post about how inept you are on a blog.
This post was written in a disturbing way. However, this is fairy tale blog world, where everyone tells their story in such a manner to get as many people excited as possible? Right? Anyway...
Knowing that nurses are usually busy, busy, busy on the floor--this pt was actually very fortunate that Happy happened to round there at the time that he did. Stepping outside the doorway to holla for an extra set of hands was completely appropriate. The five seconds that it took for him to do that was, I'm sure, way less than what it would have taken him to fumble around the room. I don't know what it's like in Happy's hospital, but, it wasn't too long ago when all of our pt rooms were NOT set up with ambu bags at the head of the bed.
Shake the pt first....sure, that's fine. But, it was also a good idea to have a nurse go into the room with him, for whatever plays out with the attempted arousal of the pt. I see it unfolding the same way regardless of which came first.
LIz said...
Happy, are you now posting as 'Anonymous'?
You're sounding kinda desparate, Liz, to find SOMETHING, anything, to deride Happy about. This is so funny. And no, I'm not Happy. I'm not even in the medical field. I'm just having a blast watching this unfold.
Hey, next time, instead of "calmly" asking the nursing staff what they'd like to do about the patient before they code, maybe grab the frickin' ambu bag and BAG THE PATIENT while yelling for someone to get in there? It's called 'airway, breathing, and circulation'; you don't need to stand there and ask what to do...what are you, 10?
Fibromyalgia? WTF are you talking about?
Happy, I know American Culture's a little confusing but.............
You left out the part about how the Nurses roll their eyes and make "Quotation Mark" gestures when they say how "Great" you are... Thanks for living up to my image of the Pompous Internist, can order tests and spout off a differential diagnosis like nobodies business but can't figure out the pulse oximeter works...
No, Seriously, you're a "GREAT" doctor, Happy, tell that to the Supena server...
Frank
Regardless of whether it's a "fairy tale blog world", one is responsible for the content of one's public/published word. It wasn't too long ago an MD blogger was held accountable for the contents of his blog while he was a defendant in a malpractice suit.
Luck, schmuck.
Sorry to triple dip here, but such target rich opportunities don't come around every day...
Happy's seriously setting off my FMG-Dar... For some reason the most Pompous Incompetent Docs tend to be the ones who had to go to Med School in the Carribean... They always have excuses... "I LIKE Grenada!!" or "My Parents said they'd pay for it so why go to a cheap In-State School???" Then when these Clowns graduate they walk around crooked cause of the Huge Chip on their Shoulder, only thing bigger is their Mountain of Debt... Can't say I blame em' only residency spots they can get are the ones nobody else wants, INTERNAL MEDICINE, PSYCH, FP and then there's always that uncomfortable silence when they're asked about where they went to Med School, thats why all the Caribean Schools have misleading names, like "AMERICAN UNIVERSITY (of the Caribbean)" or "SAINT GEORGES (Grenada branch) " its sorta like those fake "ROLIXES" you can get in any major US city...
Of course, I could be an A-hole and Happy went to Hah-vahd, or Johnny Hopkins, or even a cheap Southern In-State School like I did... I'm skeptical though, even the American Educated Pathologists I know can handle an airway...
Of course its the Internet, Happy can say he went anywhere and we won't know if he's tellin the truth or not, like my 24 inch 3rd arm...
Your Ball Sir...
Frank, American Medical Grad
Geeeeeez Happy! Did you get written up? Time for a BLS refresher. BTW you pull the call light out of the wall so that you can stay and intervene while help is on it's way...
-SCNS
Hey anonymouse, if this is supposed to be humorous it's about as amusing as a sandpaper condom sliding ever so gently over a hemorrhoid.
hey uh doc - whatever happened to
Check responsiveness
Open the airway.
Call for help (by being rude um I mean yelling)
Two full breaths (where's your PPE - you do carry a shield or can look at the wall for a bag can't you)
Or does that big ego mean that Basic Life Support is only for the little people.
anon 722, I am told on a daily basis by nursing staff that I am an excellent physician to work with. My patients are lucky to have me as their physician. They get evidence based medicine in a cost effective manner. I don't need your support to do my job well.
By the way, I wasn't asking what to do, I was asking what the nurses would like me to do from their end. They asked me to call in the cavalry to assist them. I was more than comfortable managing the rescususitation on our own. In fact, the rescusitation required no extra assistance. It required one person to grab the Narcan.
Rescusitation over with. I know exactly what I am doing. You would be honored to have me as your physician.
Girlvet: He's real unless he's stealing the identity of a real person.
No one thinks you were asking for MD help. Everyone thinks you were not intervening in an emergency based on your own descriptions and, on top of that, being a total wad to the nurses. Narcan isn't going to help if the patient goes into cardiopulmonary arrest while your thumb is up your ass. You bag while someone else gets the narcan.
Every patient room should have an ambu bag hanging up near the patient's head of the bed. You've been a doctor for 6 years and haven't figured this out? This is the same whether you're in ER or ICU or med/surg. I don't work at your hospital, but I guarantee they're there. Check it out on your rounds. Not that you were looking for a bag anyway.
SCREAMING for help is not rude when someone is dying. My mother taught me to help people if I could rather than standing there doing nothing.
If four of your patients coded in 10 minutes (which I hope is some sort of lame "Happy humor"), then either you or the nurses are serial killers, likely you if you were the doc for all of them. Maybe you get off on being the "hero" enough to make them code or let someone who could be saved get worse? You're starting to sound almost sociopathic here, seriously, dood. Can't figure out that your comments would offend (requires empathy)...don't get adrenaline in a life-threatening emergency (requires empathy)...have fantasies of making everyone scurry around at your beck and call (classically sociopathic)...patients dying left and right (four in 10 minutes?)...
Now, admit your mistake, and I'll stop going stone-age crayzee on you.
OK so there's a cardiologist from Las Vegas living at the house Jackson rented in Holmby Hils.The cardiologist gives him Demerol IM or IV for ? Respiratory arrest.Bad. Dr leaves him on soft surface, pumps away on his chest but refuses help with rescue breathing.Then the cardiologist blows outta there. Is this normal?
This article makes me sad in real life.
Happy repeats over and over that as an internist/hospitalist that he can manage all types of patients. This should include responding to someone not breathing with specific actions like shaking, assessing, bagging, yelling, [calling a code is a judgment call here as long as the patient had a pulse IMHO] etc.
If there are no ambu bags on this floor or in Happy's Hospital outside of an ICU or code cart, then Happy should immediately bring this up to the VP of patient care (or equivalent) or, if it's just that floor, the nurse manager. This is a serious safety issue! Of course, if Happy looked for an ambu bag and couldn't find one, he'd have probably mentioned this.
Nurses aren't retarded. We may be "busy", but if a patient isn't breathing, hey, we'll drop what we're doing to help out. Those 0800 meds can wait for a few minutes.
Hmm so your response to a patient with a respiratory rate of 2 and cyanosis is to call for a Nurse... Don't know that I'd be so smart alecky if I was you... Seriously, I'm beginnin to think closest you've been to Medical School is watchin a rerun of "Flat-Liners" on cable... So if I understand it...you want Doctors to administer all narcotics... it'll take 20 years to teach you Internists to open the vials without bleedin to death...
Second..."Look for supplies"??? They're called "Hands" most people have a pair... If you'd ever taken BLS or an Anesthesis rotation you'd know what to do, its called a "Jaw Thrust", and if thats too technical for ya, ya can just give Mr. "I'm Blue cause I'm not Breathing" an Eye gouge like the 3 Stooges used to...
And lastly, People who brag about their Mad Skills usually have None,
Skills that is...
What color Scrubs ya wearin today...
Frank,M.D.
I'm must tryin to drum up some West Coast/East Coast Beef like the Rappers do... Run up MY blog numbers so I can sell ads to Ebay and Scub Suppliers for Gay Males....
Is this some kind of a joke?
I see some folks aren't happy. I might be able to alleviate your concerns regarding my skills (which are excellent) if you consider the following.
1) I wasn't asking for MD help when I asked the nursing station what they would like me to do. That would be silly. In fact, my request to them was to proceed with reversal of the narcotic overdose with Narcan on our own with the team of floor nurses. It was the nurses who requested the emergency response team, because they felt more comfortable that the nursing role in the resusitation would be better handled by ICU trained RNs, not them. Sorry to burst your bubble about my medical skills. They are in fact, quite intact.
2) The distance between the patients bed side and the nurses station was all of 10 feet, through two closed doors. Time between request for help and O2 administration, 30 seconds, much quicker than my ability to hunt down the supplies, of which I wouldn't have a clue where they are stocked. My act of calmly walking out and requesting nursing assistance had no affect on patient care. Yelling for help just seems so rude. Didn't your mother teach you anything?
3) The fact that more patients don't die with nurse administered narcotics is a tribute to the excellent nursing skills at Happy's Hospital. My point was that it wasn't the nurses fault. It happens because every patient is different. Of course I wrote the dose. As I do on lasix when the patient goes into renal failure. As I do on the coumadin when the patients INR decides to jump to 6. Medications have side effects and unintended responses. Finding correct doses is trial and error for many patients. As far as narcotics, nurses do an excellent job of protecting patients from overdose, even with standard doses, which, in my experience, is usually when the overdose occurs.
5) Some of this is written for dramatic effect. You people are full of drama. If you're going to post here, remember to keep your pledge by "posting here I promise to do something nice for someone today".
6) I'll have to quit now. I have a busy service at the hospital. Of my 12 ICU patients four have just coded in the last 10 minutes. I resuscitated all of them by phone with excellent diagnostic skills. All of them have woken up and are now extubated. I have to go discharge them to home.
Let's turn over a new leaf here, Happy. Let's start admitting fault or, at least, that your actions were not optimal. It's okay to do this, and no one will disrespect a person who wishes to use a past mistake to improve. There are always ways in which you can improve.
Yelling out "I need some help" while bagging a patient is better than walking out of the room, abandoning the patient, not assessing them properly, and calmly inquiring about some help. You said this is the fastest way to get someone in the room. This is NOT the fastest way. Even if you only save 30 seconds or 1 minute by doing this, that's a minute less of anoxia for the patient.
If you can't do this, ask yourself why you're in health care if improvement and introspection does not interest you.
A post in which Happy explains how to run a "code".
I am going to have to agree with Happy here. Our docs couldn't find an Ambu bag on our floor with both hands and a map. (And I am a MICU Nurse...so the Ambu bags are actually hanging on the wall)
Getting the professional, experienced Nurses who actually KNOW where the supplies are seems like a completely reasonable course of action to me.
And about the 'lockout rate' comment. PCA pumps are perfect, because a too-sleepy patient cannot hit the button. However, if Aunt Florence hits the button every 10 minutes for the UNCONSCIOUS patient who happens to respond 'too well' to Morphine, you get resp depression. The lockout rate does not protect the patient from Aunt Florence, in that sense. We have no idea how patients will respond to drugs until we actually give them. I choose to believe that the nurses taking care of this patient did not give said patient a dose of 'shut the fuck up', and that the patient responded too well to moderate amounts of morphine, given for pain.
He couldn't have died from fibromyalgia, because fibromyalgia isn't a real disease.
Nurse K is a bitch who thinks she knows it all
Heart attack or not, RIP MJ.
So Happy says, in response to a deluge of criticisms about his smug and self-righteous description of how he failed to immediately respond to a cyanotic patient so that he might walk to the nurse's station and indulge his hunger for snark, that his medical skills are excellent. Really? Happy would see nothing out of order for a physician treating, say, his own cyanotic child to react in the same leisurely and dismissive fashion as Happy did, eh? I don't think so.
Happy, you didn't intend to, but you've admitted your medical judgment was seriously flawed in this case. And yet you really think this episode means your medical skills are excellent? You ignorant, arrogant ass.
I have to agree with everyone else...you're an idiot.
CAD isn't the only cause of myocardial infarction. You need to study a bit more.
Nurses don't control analgesia dosages, the DOCTORS do. Next time you walk into a room and the patient is about to code, do your damn job and call the code and begin the resusitation process.
Mo Ron.
Happy, this is inappropriate management. Next time you need to hit the code button and/or call for help while starting basic treatment: painful stimuli, at least looking for a bag/mask/nasal cannula, checking for a line. It's ok to make mistakes, it's not ok to have them go unrecognized so that you make them over and over.
I normally enjoy your comments, Frank Drackman, But without us worthless FMGs to do the shitty IM,FP and psych residencies, Surgeons and Orthopods would actually have to THINK, and there would be no doctors in Armpit, Wisconsin...
Yeah, so, there's this thing about PCAs- even if the nurse or the family member hit the button, the PHYSICIAN prescribes what's known as a LOCKOUT RATE, which is meant to safeguard against respiratory depression secondary to excessive administration of a narcotic agent. Just FYI.
And as for Nurse administered analgesia secondary to physician administered analgesia- perhaps you should look at your dosages. I will be the first to admit that I've run my fair share of rapid response teams to the floor and it's a narcan run- but that doesn't mean that the physician is blameless. Perhaps ordering a more appropriate dose/dosing regimen for our lovely drug seekers would prevent such things.
I'm just saying. But then again, what could I know. I would have been bagging the patient and yelling out for narcan instead of playing the part of a superioristic asshole with a god complex to the nurses. Clearly I have a lot to learn.
Anon,
Did ya know, that you only make Happy look ridiculous?
I imagine you sitting in your mom's basement. You are breathlessly waiting to meet him some day, in hopes he'll thank you for your obsessions. You'd love to get a picture of the two of you shaking hands, with Happy's autograph on the back and a note saying "couldn't fight Nurse K without ya - friends forever!" While in reality, if he were ever to meet you he'd get a restraining order.
I really was hoping you'd take Frank's advice...
-SCNS
Sorry, Happy. You come off as a royal jerk in your post. I read nothing that struck me as complimentary to nurses in the post, but your god-like arrogance was quite evident.
When I was a spanking new nurse I stood in a patient's doorway to count respirations at the beginning of my shift. Unlike you I waited a full minute, because I couldn't believe what I was seeing. The post-op patient on a fentanyl drip had a RR of one (1) respiration during that minute. So, I walked into the room and attempted to awaken her. She woke right up. The drip was turned down and she did well the rest of her hospital stay.
I can't believe you didn't just shake the guy's shoulder or something. Instead you write that you fantasized about all the nurses running and jumping at your command. I'll say it again. Jerk.
the nurse might have administered it but you prescribed it doucho
I re-read your post. My opinion is unchanged. I'd like to point out that you mentioned the medication was nurse administered TWICE. One can only conclude from this repetition that you find it an important point....obviously the patient is in this boat because of the nurse. You deny this in your response, but you must think we're all idiots who don't understand simple written english.
If you don't suck it up and apologize you should just go away.
But in Happy's defense, would YOU do Rescue Breathing on Jacko?? or Barney Frank? Happy's one of those Fleas that makes the Pe-ons do that, then he gets to play "ER" and act like a hero when he puts a 6.0 endotracheal tube down some Gomers edentulous gullet...after he yells "Sux!!!" and "I'm In!!!" C'mon tell me you haven't done that... cause your Bona Fides as an Internist are really suspect if you haven't....
Frank
I think Happy really is a pimply faced 16 yr old kid workin at Blockbuster... No wait a minute... his handling of a cyanotic patient rings true.... FOR AN INTERNIST!!! pondering the Molecular Wonder that IS Cyanosis instead of doing something useful... Hey Urine Breath, some DOCTOR ordered the Narcotics Nurse Ratched gave... probably ordererd more than he should have, cause you know how those thievin Nurses are.... I love your type of Flea, actin all self important, probably wear freshly pressed scrubs although you haven't been in an OR since before the last Millenium (I know, those automatic door openers are confusing) probably have your neat little chart rack that the nurse has to push behind you, until the staffing cutbacks.... Tell me what I've said that isn't true.....
Frank, M.D.
Calling out for help in a code
"just seems so rude"???
Anyone who has ever worked in any real ICU or ER knows one quick "I need help in here" will get you all the help you need. (which you obvs needed) It is never considered rude. It is accepted practice.
And you don't have to tell me not to push the PCA button.
Typical.idiot.hospitalist.jerk
I think this is all hilarious. K actually admitted in a post she stole, er, wrote recently that she was standing right by a patient when he went into arrest and it took her 45 seconds to pull the code button. I suspect she waited not for the drama, but because she likes to think she's better than a doctor at running the code, and she wants to play doctor so bad.
Notice that in her account, although the patient was on the way to coding while she was observing him, she did nothing until he actually coded. Happy's patient was on the way to coding, but Happy acted before the patient actually coded.
Yet people heaped all kinds of praise on "dr." K, but are all over Happy's case.
Happy, all I can say is jealousy is a green-eyed monster. Perhaps you should be flattered by all of this outrage. No one seems to be jealous of Nurse K. At all.
I'd much rather have the calm Dr. Happy running a code on me than the Shaky-Handed (her own description of herself) Nurse K running it. Her thought process is compromised by her lack of experience, and her inability to remain calm.
I'm sure I can't match your apparent desperation to defend Happy. Can't he fight his own battles?
I'm not the only one to take exception to his post (how can you not have noticed?)...and I'm not even the most eloquent responder. So, go ahead and pick on me if it makes you feel better.
HH is the Chuck Norris of Internal Medicine, he does not need an Ambu bag to make a patient breathe again.
After Happy's last response I begin to suspect that there was much left unsaid in his original post. I think we've all heard of a slow code.
Nonetheless, he was really off his game when he wrote the post. It seems a mistake to write a post in which the author paints himself to be an ignorant, lazy, pompous jerk.
I have been a nurse for about a year, and I weep when I read about how you handled this situation. If that had been my patient, I would have been furious for you wasting precious time like that just for the sake of acting smug. We nurses often have several patients to look after, and we can't be everywhere at once. I have had terminal cancer patients die during the night while I had to fetch painkillers for other patients, and the first times I felt horrible. Until I learned that I am only human.
I don't understand how somebody like you could get into healthcare when your focus is not the patient, but getting to act superior to people you are supposed to work /along with/.
Yea Frank, crossed my mind. But not this time unfortunately. Happy you are in serious need of PR rescue. I can get that for ya, gonna cost...
-SCNS
Whoo, boy, get a grip, people. I knew when I first read this post that it was written to get a rise out of you all. And it did. Then Happy even comes back to say that he dramatized (that's another word for "fictionalized" you morons) it for effect, and you people are STILL reacting to it.
Kelly, it's always good to see that you never fail to fall for the bait. All that ER triage training, no doubt. Snicker.
Way to stir up some commentroversy, Haps.
Hee, hee. I was just responding to your comments, Liz, since nobody else bothered to respond to me, but I can let you win. Hee, hee, hee.
I really am beginning to wonder who is real and who is made up on the medical blogosphere. Seriously.
As a physician, I have to say I'm pretty disappointed in your story.
Happy, are you now posting as 'Anonymous'?
Oh, I did plenty of nice things today. They just weren't for you, Doctor.
I have been an ICU nurse for quite a while and it is in my experience that hospitalist are NOT capable of taking care of CRITICALLY ill patients most of the time, there are a few exceptions. Intensivists care for the ICU patients and ER docs for your ED patients. Your post supports my belief that you should stick to tele and med surg patients and leave the sick ones to more qualified individuals who are capable of critical thinking.
Hmmm. Dramatization which has led directly to his loss of credibility amongst his peers (on the blogosphere). I think HH is the loser on this one.
"Snicker".
So, you decided to be an ass rather than deal with your cyanotic patient? I believe all that you "taught" the nursing staff was that you aren't the one to have around in an emergency. Excellent patient care!
OK, so allow the patient to not breathe just a tad longer while you stroll out to the nurse's station to ask what to do. Will this increase the liklihood that the pt will require just a little critical care monitoring once the code is completed?
I'm not suggesting anyone would actually do this deliberately.
Wow. Michael Jackson is dead and I don't feel so good myself. Everyone, lighten up, put your Thriller CD in and drink a Pepsi in honor of the late great king of pop.
Happy, I would find it odd if the nursing staff finds the need to tell you on a daily basis that you are an excellent physician. Majority of the doctors I work with are excellent....but they don't need us to tell them that. In fact, the only time we tend to overdo the pat on the back is with the residents....who generally are unsure of themselves and it shows. And we NEED them to have some level of confidence (not arrogance but confidence) to be effective. So, we build them up.
The fact that still remains, though you deny it, is that you should NOT have left the bedside of that patient. You had a means to summon help while remaining bedside. You admit that you didn't know where the bags were anyway, there was nothing you could do outside of the room (even calling for more people could have been done by any tech on the floor). Your duty is to the patient...and even if you only had the ability to continue to assess the pt (due to lack of resources at your hospital, for whatever reason), you should have remained there.
If I were that patient, I doubt I would have been feeling honored to have you as my doctor. And, you know, it's fine...we all screw up sometimes. We all look back on situations and realize "I shoulda done". But it is the ability to REALIZE you make mistakes and to know what you will do different next time that seperates a "good" doctor (or healthcare worker) from a bad one. A bad one will continue to stomp their foot and insist that they are mistake proof. I think that all anyone wants is for you to say that there is a CHANCE you weren't right and you should have done something different. That way, we all at least know you are capable of being a good doctor.....
Clearly, the patient did not need HH in order to be able to breathe again...luckily for the patient.
And with a RR of 2 and you NEGLECTING to intervene IMMEDIATELY to a CRITICAL finding how well do you think you would have done in court if say the patient did suffer neurological or cardiac ischemia ?
Remember deepest pockets, likewise do not think one of those nurses would have backed you up with arrogance flailing around like that. Also remember, and this I learned early on. Nurses will either make or break you, that includes when you have to go to court. A jury will not appeal to the doctor who did not intervene, and instead decided he needed to make a point.
It also looks like you will have more quotes to add to your sidebar now. Just making friends wherever you go. I stand by my original statement, your a tool.
I'd rather have Nurse K anyday looking out for me than Happy. Ay least I'd know she knows what to do if I stop breathing...
Happy you should have called the code...period. No excuse.
Anon ICU nurse:
Why the derogatory comments about IM/Hospitalists. In the "real world" (ie. outside the Ivory tower) hospitalist's as often as not are the primary ICU docs. Adequate intensivist coverage is impossible in most places. If you think otherwise, well then you have spent most of your time in one lucky community hospital or are an Ivory tower type.
Frank: Are you for real? In all my years of work I have never seen an anesthesiologist run a code on the floor or the ICU outside of residency. You guys are either in the OR or home sleeping. A couple of times (only when they where inhouse of course) they tubed a 400-500 lb landwhale for me. But that's what they do for a living. Hey you went in it for the lifestyle and $$$. I can dig it. Personally, I found anesthesia (and radiology) boring as hell most of the time. But trust me, I can match most (not tubing or passing gas) of my ICU skills with you. As far as actually managing patients. You aren't even in my league.
YOu have to be kidding me. So all us fibro patients are going to die like this. Give me a freaking break you act like your God playing w/ this man's life..... How do you know what the hell was going on w/ MJ? Sure as hell sounds like he had Fibro to me....but geeze not all of us have the access to the drugs he did nor would we take them. Granted a fibro patient will do almost anything to rid the pain.....but so would you and you know if you had it you would be the first person to abuse your script pad and end up killing yourself tooo... maybe we need to have better regulations when giving narcotics ESPECIALLY to fibro patients and it is very well known how we react very strangly to meds. Give me a break. I hope your patients get more help out of you now that your "seasoned". You scare me actually that god for bid their be a day I am in that situation post opperativly their will be some young pr*CK out their taking his sweet old time getting someone else to bag me because you can't get your hands dirty. Live my day just for one day buddy you couldn't
Happy,
You've taken a good whoopin' for a bit of overuse of dramatic license. Remember next time! ;)
Old Nurse Lewis
"He just doesn't fit the profile for coronary artery disease."
I will rely on your intimate familiarity with his medical history and fight the urge to call you an idiot.
"So I calmly walked out of the room, walked to the nurses station and stated calmly:
"One of my patients is about to code. What would you like me to do?"
NEVERMIND the urge is overwhelming...
YOU SIR, ARE A TOTAL DOUCHE BAG!
Hey anon, so is Happy.
TANSTAAFL. Actually, here's how you run a code
http://thehappyhospitalist.blogspot.com/2008/12/dont-you-dare-touch-me.html
I must disagree with the majority of the responses .... Happy is perfect !! He's a perfect example of a post Clintonian don't ask don't tell - metrosexual. This egocentric, Dr. Spockian, left wing liberal freak, is clearly afflicted w/ 'Spina-non-gotta' [a serious disease process first identified in the late 1960s and characterized by 'little girl type behavior' in adult males]. He must be the pride of whatever/whoever he's poking. Where would we be today if Patton had called up FDR during WW2 and said "the Germans just hit one of my divisions, what would you like me to do about it?".
Happy was clearly a top notch student!! He has mastered all the skills sets valued by today's society: obfuscation, displacement of responsibility, laziness, egocentrism, and the all important 'sense of entitlement'.
I don't know what all you guys are complaining about. I suspect that each of you has contributed [in some fashion] to the society that spawn this POS. Happy's condition is emblematic of the new 'progressive' world that you all are trying so hard to create. We've gone from Ben Casey to 'Happy', and from state of the art medicine to a 'free' healthcare state. How's it working out for ya so far ?
By the by,
male, black, 50, drug abuser, Cachectic
doesn't fit 'the profile' for early [lethal] MI? Please ..........
As a physician, I have to say I'm pretty disappointed in your story. I would have been trying to wake the patient up to see if he could breathe more in those 30 seconds. And, being an anesthesiologist, I would've immediately been reaching for some sort of oxygen and probably asking for some narcan. I'm left sort of speechless that you had med school in order to "never forget the cause of cyanosis", as most lay-people even know that turning blue usually means not-breathing.
I'm thinking that probably Michael Jackson's cardiologist was also an internist who has forgotten his ABC's and his ACLS training. I assume that MJ coded ("arrested") which the media only understands as "cardiac arrest". Anyway, I would suggest to you, Dr. Happy Hospitalist, as well as all health providers, to brush up on your ACLS/BLS so we can keep great people like Michael Jackson alive. I've started to use this new web-based ACLS simulator that just came out and I think it's fantastic. http://www.simcodeacls.com. It's called Simcode ACLS and you guys should all check it out.As a physician, I have to say I'm pretty disappointed in your story. I would have been trying to wake the patient up to see if he could breathe more in those 30 seconds. And, being an anesthesiologist, I would've immediately been reaching for some sort of oxygen and probably asking for some narcan. I'm left sort of speechless that you had med school in order to "never forget the cause of cyanosis", as most lay-people even know that turning blue usually means not-breathing.
I'm thinking that probably Michael Jackson's cardiologist was also an internist who has forgotten his ABC's and his ACLS training. I assume that MJ coded ("arrested") which the media only understands as "cardiac arrest" even though it might have been a respiratory cause. Anyway, I would suggest to you, Dr. Happy Hospitalist, as well as all health providers, to brush up on your ACLS/BLS so we can keep great people like Michael Jackson alive. I've started to use this new web-based ACLS simulator that just came out and I think it's fantastic. http://www.simcodeacls.com. It's called Simcode ACLS and you guys should all check it out.
Oh, Frank! Nobody says it quite like you do... :D
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