Wednesday, April 29, 2009

Stress Test On Asymptomatic Nursing Home Patients.

Is is possible the the doctor was wrong?  Yes, sometimes physicians just get it wrong.  A reader sent me their experience. 
What an eye opening experience. I had an old man in his 70's experience a nonspecific complaint. What was that complaint? He broke out into a sweat one day while living out his peaceful life at the nursing home. This nondescript complaint in a diabetic resulted in an outpatient arrangement for a cardiac stress test by his physician. However, these plans were aborted when several days later the patient experienced right upper quadrant belly pain that ultimately resulted in a diagnosis of gallstones causing blockage in his bile ducts. The patient was ultimately transferred to the hospital for further evaluation. It just so happens that the transfer was made on the day of the outpatient cardiac stress test. I got a call from the stress lab asking whether I wanted to do the test as an inpatient. I said I didn't know. I would get back to them. So I went to talk to the patient. I asked him if he knew why he was getting the stress test. He didn't know. I asked him if he had any discomfort in his chest. The answer was no. I asked him about jaw and arm pain, shortness of breath, nausea. All negative. I told him I couldn't think of any reason why his doc had ordered the cardiac stress test and that I was going to cancel it. He said, "Thank you. I didn't want to do it anyway."
I couldn't think of a reason either on why this nursing home gentleman without chest pain needed a cardiac stress test. So I called his physician and I asked him. He told me the patient had diaphoresis (sweating) and he was a diabetic and he wanted to evaluate the patient for ischemic heart disease. I told the  doc that I think I had a sound explanation for the sweating (a gallstone attack) and that I was comfortable cancelling the stress test as I felt that the current information explained the episode of sweating. And you know what the doc said to me?  "Make sure you explain the risks to him for not doing it and that it could still be his heart."  If this isn't defensive medicine at it's finest, I don't know what is.
Here's a patient who doesn't want the test and a doctor who is so scared of malpractice that they are willing to do unnecessary and expensive interventions on nursing home patients when alternative explanations clearly explain the science of the situation. With this irrational thought process, one could argue that the patient also needs adrenal vein sampling to rule out a pheochromocytoma. Or perhaps a bone marrow biopsy to exclude leukemia. Why not? If you're going to do unreasonable testing in the setting of rational science based medical decisions, why stop at just the stress test.

Sometimes physicians just get it wrong. Really wrong. At some point physicians will have to take ownership of their medical decisions and make sound evidence based decisions on sound medical principles. If we test every nursing home patient with an episode of sweating with a $2000 cardiac stress test, then we physicians have just established irrational medicine as the standard of care.

We as physicians set the standards. And we have often set the standards which are not based on sound scientific principles. The question is, how do we as a profession change the standards so we practice based on science, not fear?

I for one believe in practicing science based medicine. If I'm going to get sued, I have to believe that science will prevail. A science, I have to believe, most juries would respect. If I practice with sound principles, regardless of irrational standards, I can go to sleep at night knowing I did the right thing, irrespective of nature's plans for the patient.
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11 Outbursts:

  1. ECG? You know that if anything is even slightly off, he'll get that stress test anyway, when his regular MD must "sign-off" that he is fit for surgery for surgeon (the hot potato being passed).
    -Second career nursing student

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  2. Well... OK then. Just fearing for your behind a bit... maybe I am becoming attached to you Happy. I worked for a Doc while taking my prereqs, and worried about is behind too. Sorry.
    -Second career nursing student

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  3. Just a little FYI Happy, many people (especially the elderly) think (fearfully) that a cardiac stress test can only mean being chained to a treadmill hooked up to all kinds of monitors... and then some guy hits the "go fast" button...
    -Second career nursing student

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  4. Pt needs gall bladder out; no one is going to put in a stent or do a CABG with a hot gallbladder unless it's an emergency.

    Pt "cleared for surgery." Doesn't need a stress test pre-op. If someone wants to get an outpt stress test based on symptoms he has post-op, that's fine.

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  5. Evidence must be based on consistent explanations that apply in all instances and avoid contradicting each other, maybe the stress test was ordered but the characteritics of the complaint wasnt described by the PCP (i dont know case), I particulary find a flaw in there pain or disconfort have 14 characteritics, 7 at least, if you gonna ask for an expensive test justify it.
    Get a time to talk with the patient, and if you have doubts order the test but we see in medical practice a telegraphic if not non existent doctor-patient comunication , so lets do some expensive test.

    the differencial diagnosis of chest pain is so large, and sweeting could mean many things.

    if there are clinical findings that arrows other posibility that fits better why not to folow it, that way of reasoning will only lead to unecesarry testing and uncesarry measures.

    can we change this, idk, most of doctors i have seen so far doesnt work with evidence even specialist, they just learn by repetition.

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  6. Psst....even younger Diabetics often don't experience Coronary Insufficiency the same way us young health bucks do, Happy...Something to do with the Nervous system, not sure of the Molecular Mechanism but its the same reason you can stomp on their big toe and they won't notice...
    You've never been sued, have you??

    Frank, M.D.

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  7. To be young and naive, I remember those days...

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  8. Good thing you don't smoke, Happy, that Straw Man be'd in flames...

    Old Diabetic Guy... you're probably right, doesn't take House M.D. to figure out the red cells have to do the limbo through his Left Main...

    The real test is how you practice after a case does go to court, and one will eventually, unless you really do walk on water...

    Its like Dogs that chase cars...one day the cars gonna catch you...

    Frank, M.D.

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  9. and I look forward to the day Jessica Simpson serves me breakfast in bed... probably has a better chance of happenin than any change in the current legal system...

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  10. I would tread very cautiously with a diabetic and unexplained diaphoresis (not sure cholelithiasis explains it unless he was having horrible RUQ pain at the time of the sweating). He probably should get a thalium scan before any surgery.

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  11. Leukemia can easily be screened for with a CBC. Otherwise, people with symptoms of leukemia would routinely be getting bone marrow biopsies to rule it out.

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