Do different doctors have different levels of risk?
I attempted humor, suggesting surgeons are the only ones hanging around the doctors lounge because they see 1/3 the patients and charge 5x as much. Suggesting they have plenty of time to watch TV and eat free food in the lounge. A reader (physician?) responded:
They kind of take more risk though. Let them sit back and chill. I would never want to be in their shoes. I love my safe little clinic...
"They kind of take more risk though". I disagree with that assertion. I don't think any physician, who is trained in their scope of practice, takes on anymore risk than any other physician, regardless of what field of medicine they practice in. In the current malpractice market we know as American medicine, I see an irrational linking of bad outcomes with bad medicine. Higher rates of bad outcomes does not mean that more bad medicine or more negligence is occurring. Or that there is more risk involved. It is simply the nature of the disease process or the limitations of the procedural/surgical intervention when bad outcomes occur.
Yet, physicians are charged accordingly on their med mal insurance rates. More bad outcomes? Higher insurance, regardless of the natural disease process.
Let me give you several examples. Neurosurgery has some of the highest malpractice rates, especially cranial privileges. In some parts of this country, you cannot find a neurosurgeon on call for cranial trauma because of malpractice coverage rates. If you are in a car accident in the middle of the countryside, sometimes you have to bypass major population centers because neurosurgeons have given up their call in favor of elective outpatient based interventions.
Let's say you are thrown from a car because you are drunk and you weren't wearing your seat belt. Let's say you have a large intracranial hematoma in urgent need of intervention. Let's say you make it to a neurosurgeon, who does everything right but the patient turns into a vegetable anyway. Let's say the patient develops a rebleed two days later and dies.
Compare this with an outpatient internist who is managing a patient with heart failure and chronic kidney disease. Treatment with potassium, lasix, ACEi, beta blockers, digoxin, statin. The patient presents to the ED in a sinusoidal heart rhythm as a direct result of life threatening hyperkalemia due to progressive renal failure from medication, diet, and natural progression of the disease process.
In both cases, the physician has performed their duties appropriately and both patients have died despite appropriate care from vastly different patient experiences.
The question I ask now is, who carries the greater risk? Is a neurosurgeon, practicing within their scope doing anything more risky than an internist practicing within theirs?
No. Both patient populations carry a risk of death. Both patient populations carry a chance of bad outcomes. So how can you define one as more risky than the other?
Risk is me practicing neurosurgery or a neurosurgeon practicing internal medicine opportunities. Practicing medicine you are not qualified to handle is risky. Doing what you are trained to do, despite bad outcomes is not. Yet we continue to link outcomes with risk.
If bad outcomes was a measurement of risk, then doctors who specialize in palliative care should have the highest malpractice premiums of all, as their chance of bad outcomes, defined by death, approaches 100%.
This is another reason why I contend the RVU system is a sham. Part of the payment of the RVU system (relative value unit) is the a malpractice RVU component. One RVU is worth about $35 according to Uncle Sam. For every encounter, a small number of RVUs are paid based on the perceived malpractice risk of the encounter. Every encounter I face has risk as long as I am not practicing sound medicine. Now, how many RVUs does Medicare pay for a 74 minute critical care patient, on their death bed with severe septic shock?
1/5 of 1 RVU in my community. About 0.2 RVUs. About $7.
How many RVU's does medicare pay for a craniotomy?
over 5 RVUs. About $175. This is more than the 74 minutes of critical care time I spend on a patient with severe septic shock and multi organ failure. A surgeon gets paid more just in malpractice expense than I do in all my efforts, even though their risk of a bad outcome is no different than mine, and in many cases, far less.
I contend that the Medicare payment model of risk, is in no way linked to the actual risk involved, and instead is being paid for on the basis of perceived risk driven by a backward malpractice legal system that self sustains the perception of risk. When in fact, minimal to no risk actually exists (as witnessed by the low rate of med mal payouts.)
If you are practicing sound medicine within your scope of practice, the risk is zero. Unfortunately, our entire med mal system is built around an irrational perceived risk that does not exist.
And this perceived risk has created an irrational standard of care that feeds irrational medicine and creates standards that are not achievable, even based on sound scientific principles.
With that said, my risk as an internist/hospitalist is no different than the risk of a neurosurgeon. The perceived risk is however, what matters. And that has driven entire insurance industries and med mal lawyers that self sustain themselves if for no other reason than to perpetuate their massive fraud on physicians and the general public at large.



check your #s again. Critical care (99291) for an adult is 4.5 work RVUs for 30 to 74 minutes.
ReplyDeleteAmen, dude! Although I am cozy in my bed at 3am on Christmas Eve, not taking out somebody's perf'ed appendix. I'll throw some extra shift-diff for good measure.
ReplyDeleteThere is also the little factor that much of the post-op care and time is not reimbursed at all for the surgeon. In my field, post op care extends for 90 days, during which time all visits and time invested is not reimbursed separate from the surgical fee. I dare say that you get reimbursed for EVERY visit, don't you?
ReplyDeleteDon't get me wrong here...I think that ALL docs are getting ripped by the gov't, but I do grow weary of the "you get paid too much and I don't get paid enough because of that" chant.
The malpractice component of the RVU is based on the relative insurance premium paid by the specialty, not any vague gestalt of the risk of a procedure or episode of care. It's the most reality-based component of the RVU system.
ReplyDeleteAs I have said previously, ad nauseam, it's not exactly a secret that I as a surgeon get paid more than you as an internist, and that has been well known by everyone in medicine since approximately the Year One. You say that it doesn't bother you, but you complain about it so much...
Interesting posts. Of course you have lured me out of my lair...
ReplyDeleteBad internist = consistently elevated BP/blood sugars with subsequent risk of MI/CVA 5, 10, 20 years down the road.
Bad surgeon= peri-op death/major life changing complication.
Causality is much more apparent to the lay public in bad outcomes that occur within a short frame of medical intervention. Overall risk assumed may be equal over the course of time between surgeon/internist, but the perception of liability is much more obvious to the patient who has undergone elective surgery...
"I see an irrational linking of bad outcomes with bad medicine."
ReplyDeleteWhile that's an article of faith among physicians that the public thinks that, is it really true?
"Unfortunately, our entire med mal system is built around an irrational perceived risk that does not exist."
You're mixing and matching a couple of issues. The pricing done by your insurer depends on many factors, and while people may consider insurers a lot of things, irrational is not one of them. Their pricing models are quite sophisticated for the most part, except when the economy is booming and they're willing to take some losses on individual premiums for increased volume and thus investment income (see the 1990s).
"And this perceived risk has created an irrational standard of care that feeds irrational medicine and creates standards that are not achievable, even based on sound scientific principles."
Well, given that physicians set the standard of care, it would seem that they should do a better job of assessing their risk. Perhaps not relying so strongly on anecdotes of this or that case they heard about from someone who heard about it from someone else would be a good start.