Tuesday, July 15, 2008

Long Tail Diagnosis: Everyone Has It, You Just Have To Look For It.

There are times in medicine that can make you feel good. That makes you appreciate why you do what you do. Like any other field, when you become really good at what you do, it can become monotonous. Every day can run together. The people are all different. Personalities run the gamut from pleasantly demented to antisocial drug addicts. But their diseases are often treated in rigourous guideline like fashion. The people are different. Diseases are diseases.

The guidelines for treating pyelonephritis are the same in the vast majority of patients. The guidelines to treat community acquired pneumonia are the same in the vast majority of patients. The guidelines for stroke treatment are the same in the vast majority of patients through fairly rigid protocol driven guidelines. However, it is the nuances of treatment that make doctors doctors. The deviation from protocols that aren't appreciated by all of the rigid government performance standards being presented to the public as quality care. That is the value in physician level training.

I found the discussion on the long tail of medicine (here and here) at DB's Medical Rants fascinating. Essentially, he is saying the 15% of long tail medicine is what makes doctors doctors. He says that 85% of what we do can be robotic. I would argue, to some degree, that is true. BUT, I also believe that every patient is a long tail. That every patient is different, even though their diseases are the same, even the common ones. And that's why protocol driven medicine is so difficult across most of the medical treatment and evaluation sphere.

It's called medical judgement. An art that we learn to practice through intense medical school and residency trained education. It is an art that is nearly impossible to be emulated by extenders, nurses and other health care personal. That's not meant to be insulting, demeaning condescending or arrogant. It's just a fact. That's what medical school and residency does to you. It is very difficult to explain unless you have experienced it.

Tonight, I had a long tail presentation of a common medical condition: deep venous thrombosis (DVT).

The standard of care for DVT is initiation of warfarin (vitamin K antagonist) plus initiation with a few days (about 4-5 days) of low molecular weight heparin (lovenox) subcutaneous 1 mg/kg twice daily or 1.5 mg/kg daily or until the INR is greater than 2. Now this would be the robotic response to treatment. That 85% that robots follow. But that's not what happened tonight. Let me give you this scenario.

35 year old Mr. Peel presented to the emergency room 12 hours ago with a few day history of a mildly swollen right leg. Otherwise asymptomatic. His mother has a history of a blood clot and she was worried. Mr. Peel has no physician and no insurance. And no money. He's dirt poor. In the ED a venous doppler confirmed the presence of a right lower extremity distal DVT (dorsalis pedis posterior tibial vein) with sub acute features. In other words days to weeks old and sitting right at the ankle bone. The patient's d-dimer (a marker of active clot turn over) was barely above normal range (indicating the clot is not very active and therefor less likely to extend).

The ER gave Mr Peel a dose of lovenox and recommended hospital admission to the hospital. In my experience, distal DVT's can be managed as an outpatient. The patient refused admission, was given a script for lovenox and coumadin dosing and set up with a primary care physician at our federally subsidized clinic (many many days from now).

When the patient went to fill his lovenox, he was shocked to learn it would cost $700. Of course, several hours later, he made the decision to return to the ER to be admitted. He tells me he was scared out of his wits for the blood clot that was presented to him as a possible death calling. At this point, I was called to admit the patient. This was my first contact with the patient.

In my residency years, a time of incredible knowledge base solidification, I remember reading an article about the risks of pulmonary embolism from DVT. In essence, the farther up the leg the clot is, the higher the risk of pulmonary embolism. I seem to remember iliac clots carried a 1 in 4 or higher chance of clinically significant pulmonary embolism. The risk of a clot below the knee was on the order of 1% or less. The exact numbers are not important, only the general risk involved. That's why I have a much lower threshold to admit a proximal DVT, at least for 24 hours of observation until anticoagulants can be administered to stabilize the clot. But to admit a distal (below the knee) DVT is almost always unnecessary.

Where does the long tail come in to play in my patient with a common presentation? It's not just clot: present or absent. The site of the clot, proximal or distal, has a lot to do with the risk assessment of my patient. How much of a risk do they represent for pulmonary embolism? And does that risk out weight the risk of bleeding from anticoagulation? We also have the social situation. No money. No lovenox.

When I walked into the room I explained in my first sentence that I wanted to find a way to avoid hospitalization. I explained his $700 prescription for lovenox would pale in comparison to a 5 day hospital stay for about $8,000-$10,000. He categorically agreed with me. I talked with our social worker. I explained my need for setting up Mr Peel for drug assistance outpatient. But this would not happen at 9pm at night. That he would have to call tomorrow (personal responsibility) to get it worked out.

I had a very long talk about risk benefit. I researched guidelines for treatment of distal DVT. There really are none. There are no randomized trials that state one way or another whether anticoagulation is even necessary. Uptodate recommended 6-12 weeks of anticoagulation in the absence of hard data. And if anticoagulation was not possible for any reason, they recommended a follow up Doppler ultrasound in about 2 weeks to verify lack of proximal extension of the clot.

I discussed this data with the patient. I stated, while I felt the risk of proximal extension and symptomatic pulmonary embolism was very low, the data can not support no anticoagulation. I gave him the option of coumadin alone with out a lovenox bridge. I explained the risk of protein C and S deficiency as about 1 in 10,000 folks in which coumadin could actually increase the risk of clot in the initiation phase without using the lovenox bridging method for 5 days. I explained that I was willing to treat him with coumadin alone due to his finances, if he was willing to accept the small risk of hypercoagulable state without lovenox. He gladly accepted that risk.

So now I have walked the patient through my thoughts on risk benefit.

  1. The distal nature of the clot represents a very low risk of proximal extension to symptomatic DVT or pulmonary embolism
  2. The 1/10,000 risk of hypercoagulable state by starting coumadin without lovenox.
  3. The d-dimer near normal range and subacute nature of the clot means it is not likely unstable
At this point, the plan seemed reasonable. Risk benefit analysis in the setting of his lack of money and no insurance determined that we would use coumadin with not lovenox. He was willing to accept the risks, as was I. This was his longtail presentation of a commonly diagnosed condition. But, hold on. It gets better.
He drops a bombshell. Mr Peel has been treated for "leukemia" for 10 years. I did notice a white count of about 15. I ask him if it's CLL. He says yes. (I'm no oncologist, but this whole story sounds strange). He tells me he has rectal bleeding for 3 days, every month, as if he's having a period. I ask him about colonoscopies and hemorrhoids. The answer was yes to the first, no to the second. My hunch is AV malformations, but those words didn't ring a bell with him. Perhaps male menstrual AVMs. Reportable perhaps?
At this point, all bets are off. I explained I would never anticoagulate him in the setting of recurrent GI bleeds. I do not see a strong correlation between his "leukemia" and his new onset DVT. If in fact he has had leukemia, and 10 years later develops a dorsalis pedis local clot, that, in my medical judgment, does not represent a strong clinical correlation. 10 years folks. If his "leukemia" was hypercoagulable he would have presented years ago with a DVT.
Now, if his DVT was proximal, he would be admitted for an inferior vena cava filter to prevent proximal extension and pulmonary embolism. I would still not anticoagulate him. In my opinion, his recurrent GI bleeds represent a far greater risk than a DVT with an IVC filter to offer some protection against pulmonary embolism.
At this point, the patient, in my history taking made the decision for me. I would not offer him lovenox. I would not offer him coumadin. We would go with straight aspirin, which as far as I can tell, has no data either. But at least I feel better about it. The risk of proximal extension is very low. There are no clinical guidelines for distal DVT treatment. The risk of bleeding far outweighs the benefit of a low complication DVT.
I did not recommend follow up ultrasound. I recommended clinical change. I told him if his leg gets more swollen; if he got pain or redness to call his comprehensive care doc for a possible repeat ultrasound. But simply ordering it for 2 weeks in a guy with no money seems silly, in a low risk clot.
We went through my thoughts, the risks and the benefits. And we came to an agreement of acceptable risk. It turns out to be the most financially palatable for the patient. And he was one happy camper.
  1. Baby aspirin indefinitely
  2. Call comprehensive care doc if worsening symptoms
Instead of admitting him for 5 days of lovenox because he couldn't afford it, I played doctor tonight and used my clinical expertise and knowledge base to move outside that robotic box. Every patient is a long tail. You just have to look for it.
This took a very comprehensive discussion. And time. Lot's of it. Something the ER docs don't have. Nor do I expect them to. These are the types of talks necessary to foster a decrease in resource utilization in every aspect of care. In the current payment system doctors operate in, volume will trump this necessary process every single time. You can't financially survive spending one hour (as I did) in these talks and expect to make a living. Our government has sabotaged the cost effective practice of comprehensive care. Paying a doctor to answer more phone calls or fill out more FMLA papers won't save money. Medical Homes won't pay you to see fewer patients. They pay you to do more paper work. Time with patients will save money. And until we incentivize payment for spending more time with patients all the quality programs in the world will be gamed and manipulated to the benefit of the players. I saved over $10,000 for Mr Peel today. I saved him months of coumadin, PT INR testing. I saved our hospital a $10,000 no pay subsidy. Every one wins tonight. Now. Multiply this time and thought process by hundreds of times a year for just me. One hospitalist.
And people question the value of hospitalists. Huh. I can't wait for the gainsharing to begin. I'm going to be a gazillionare.
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16 Outbursts:

  1. I hate to give you more follow up, but this guy showed up in our ED. Same patient. Still had your d/c instructions. Saddle embolus. In ICU. On vent. Got TPA. Swirling the drain.

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  2. Just kidding.

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  3. Most ER docs wouldn't have dug that deep, I wager, because as you say, we don't have the time. Doppler ordered in triage, no bloodwork. Focused H&P probably wouldn't have picked up the history of CLL or the rectal bleeding because we wouldn't give Lovenox or Coumadin for a distal "DVT" much consideration.

    Discharge from ED with aspirin, follow up at the county clinic or return if worse.

    Time spent with patient: 5 minutes
    Time doing paperwork: 10 minutes

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  4. How does this episode illustrate the "art of medicine"? Spending five minutes of time on the computer researching distal DVT to fill in your knowledge gaps (despite your "intense training in medical school and residency") could have easily been accomplished by a nurse practitioner or PA. This anecdote actually illustrates a bigger problem in our health care system; one that has been discussed ad nauseam across the medical blogosphere - overutilization. Who in their right mind images the dorsalis pedis vein when assessing for DVT?! As a radiologist who has worked in both academic and private practice setting, I can tell you that it is routine to stop imaging either at the proximal tibial or, in some cases, popliteal veins. I don't even think the dorsalis pedis vein is considered a "deep" vein. Your patient probably had superficial thrombophlebitis. Fortunately he was poor and avoided the wasted and dangerous 9-12 months of coumadin that you were going to initiate before doing your literature search. To think, as long your patient didn't have to pay, it was okay to begin a long, risky, and expensive treatment regimen of little utility despite the fact that your knowledge in this area was sorely lacking. I'm sorry to say, but many times this "art of medicine" you speak of is nothing more than arrogance. The extender, recognizing their limited knowledge of the subject, would have been more likely to research the topic before prescribing treatment and thus would have saved this gentleman a great deal of hassle.

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  5. brain fart. It was a posterior tibial clot, not dorsalis pedis. That's what I get for working late. Thanks for the heads up anon.

    As far as my knowledge gap, my foundation is solid. You needn't worry about that. I was researching to see if there was any new recommendations since I last checked. Sorry that you miss understood.


    Scalpel: If you have published data that says aspirin is appropriate for distal DVT, I would love to see it. As far as I can tell, there is no data that says it's safe and current 2C recommendations say anticoagulation for 6-12 weeks, or if anticoagulation is not possible, to do follow up ultrasound to verify stability.

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  6. The posterior tibial vein is a deep vein, and we anticoagulate those. The dorsalis pedis vein is a superficial vein which would be treated as a superficial thrombophlebitis with aspirin or other nonsteroidals, elevation, and warm compresses.

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  7. I would not trust the typical extender to research this topic and prescribe appropriate therapy. There are some physicians I wouldn't trust either - but, that's just me.

    Strong work Happy!

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  8. I don't know that having someone turn up with leukemia is actually a "long tail" event. Long tail events are those that would be expected within the range of normal.

    I am still reading the "Black Swan" because it's a complicated book, but it seems to me this kind of thing is better categorized as "fat tail", which is an event that would fall outside what would be less probable.

    You'd expect a mid-range to catch the long tail events because although unusual they are to be expected in some proportion of cases.

    You wouldn't expect them to catch this, although you would have thought a better medical history would have been taken in the beginning.

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  9. Ginger. I was using the term long tail loosly her. Because every patient is different. Whether it is their social situation their genetics, their assortment of medical ailments, the evaluation and management of very common conditions are, in essence, quite different from one person to another. I was meaning to show that the complexities of the patient can shift that cook book robotic action into the complexities of long tail illness very easily. In other words, managing a homeless uninsured drunk with DM and cellulitis, two very common conditions, can be equivalent in complexity to diagnosing pulmonary hemorrhage caused by stachybotrys atra, something you can go your whole life and never see as a physician. Both represent their own complexities. It's not just cellulitis and diabetes. It's a patient with cellulitis and diabetes. The cookbook doesn't work. It rarely does.

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  10. All that work and you'll bill an outpatient consult (99245 due to the time) and would get paid $250 if he had insurance. Now you'll get paid nothing! Nice call in saving the hospital and the patient time and money.

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  11. Sooo.. 25 Paragraphs and you give the Guy Aspirin, are you an Internist??

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  12. i had a distal/superficial clot in a clinic patient a few years back. we had the risk/benefit discussion and he agreed that the best approach was a repeat u/s in 10-14 days. we got this scheduled. he was a responsible, well-educated guy. literally on his way to the appointment, he became acutely dyspneic, diverted himself to the ED, and was found to have a pe. will it change my approach in the future, this n of 1? probably not in similar circumstances. but it's always going to be in the back of my mind.

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  13. Ohio OncologistJuly 17, 2008 10:37 PM

    The real kicker is the question of the "leukemia" in the context of a thrombosis. You didn't give a differential for the WBC count which would have ruled out CLL fairly easily. What was his Hg and Hct. Polycythemia Vera Rubra can present with increased WBC, normal hemoglobin in the context of a microcytic RBC (PVB in the context of iron deficiency - I have seen this many times: normal Hb, but microcytic)and in this case a thrombosis. This diagnosis would unify his presentation (Fe deficiency from the rectal bleeding). If he does have Polycythemia Vera Rubra, then it would clearly change your anicoag plans (would anticoag with LMWH and coumadin). This truly is the "long tail" of medicine.

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  14. stone cold normal (auto) diff. Normal Hgb. Normal Platelet count. Normal MCV. Everything was normal except the WBC of 15. That's why I questioned his statement.

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  15. Ohio OncologistJuly 19, 2008 7:49 AM

    A couple of other things that I have encountered include elevated white counts secondary to malignancy (I have seen this as the presenting sign in colon, lung, non-hodgkins lymphoma and Hodgkin's lymphoma). Also it is VERY common to see a mildly elavated WBC count with a normal diff in smokers. My guess is that this guy is a smoker and the elevated WBC is secondary to this habit.

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