I had a very unpleasant conversation the other day with the most unbelievable Medicare contracted quality review company.
A partner of mine has taken care of an 85 year old female, on her third hospital stay (1st at our institution).
She had been here for 10 days. She has had a "million dollar workup"
Granny's losing weight. She ain't eating. And she is failing to thrive.
The diagnosis? Florid hyperthyroidism. The diagnosis is clear as a whistle.
Granny has been started on appropriate treatment which will take weeks and weeks and weeks to improve her quality of life.
She was offered a feeding tube and the family declined. She is still not eating well.
The patient was told she will be discharged.
The family rejected the medical opinion of the primary care doctor (us) and all her specialists, that it is time to leave the hospital.
At this point the medical diagnosis has been made. There is no further work up planned. She either eats her way out of illness, or she gets a feeding tube to help get calories. The feeding tube was rejected in favor of eating.
But eating in the hospital is the desire of the family.
Unfortunately, eating does not meet criteria for continued hospital stay.
We are not a cafeteria or a half way house.
We are a hospital.
The place where sick people go.
Medicare has rules where the family can reject discharge if they feel they are not ready. A "peer to peer" review is then conducted, shortly.
A supposed physician reviews the chart. An independent physician. And makes a determination on whether the patient can say or be discharged.
A mediator between the physicians and family.
If they agree with the physicians, the patient is discharged, but can stay if they pay out of pocket.
Shockingly, the physician made a determination the patient could stay.
The lady on the phone said the reason for continued hospitalization was "continued evaluation of weight loss"
This one falls under the category of, "Are you friggen kidding me?"
I have an 85 year old lady with florid hyperthyroidism, and some doc who has never seen the patient says she needs further workup for weight loss?
I scanned the chart, a 10 day hospital stay, in 10 minutes and made a determination that the patient is stable as a rock, with stable vitals and has declined a feeding tube. She does not belong in the hospital.
It was a stunning look in to the world of peer review.
"Who is monitoring the docs who monitor docs?"
I asked the secretary? or nurse? on the line to speak with the physician who made the clinical decision that the patient needs further workup for weight loss to understand what his/her recommendations are for further evaluation. I explained that we have nothing further to test. We have a diagnosis and we know what's going on. There is nothing else to do.
I was told I am not allowed to talk to the physician in the "peer to peer" review process.
That the review is done in a confidential manner.
I asked then that she contact the physician with very specific recommendations for orders to continue the workup.
You know what response I got?
The basis for the patient requiring continued inpatient stay was a documented weight differential of 7 kg in a span of two days, with matching ins and outs.
The lady on the phone stated to me, in no uncertain terms that the patient was "unstable" and that the weight loss needed to be addressed.
Any idiot would know that that kind of weight loss can only occurs with scale differentials, scale error or an amputation. It would be a physical impossibility to explain physiological weight loss of that magnitude on anything else. A physician would clearly discount irrational data or question the validity of such data. I could not believe that a physician based their recomendation based on clearly irrational data.
To call my patient "unstable" made me lose all respect for this quality puppet regime on the phone. Fore someone to categorize my patient as such, without ever seeing the patient is both inappropriate and clearly lacks the ability to do their job. They should be fired.
She refused me the courtesy of discussing the patient with the peer to peer reviewer. For all I know, it is a high school drop out.
Or an unqualified extender. Or a nurse. No offense, but if I'm getting a peer to peer review, I expect a physician for whom I can talk with the patient about on an even level of educational standing.
If in fact a physician made this determination, they should go back to training. They have lost all clinical capabilities.
I was told by this secretary/nurse on the phone it is my responsibility to go back to the family and ask them for a feeding tube. Again. I was asked why I have failed my duties as a physician to bring up comfort cares in this patient. I was asked why the patient is in her third admission in a month or two.
It was a bunch of Bullshit. If the family doesn't want a feeding tube. Then the go. They do not get the luxury of consuming hospital resources simply to see if granny's appetite picks up in the next week.
I should have a right to speak to my peer making clinical decisions if they have concerns about quality. It is a cowardly cloak of secrecy.
Instead, they have given this family a free ride to consume $1000 a day in hospital resources simply so granny can be spoon feed. No hospital therapies. A bed being used and abused so someone who needs it cannot.
After my 1 hour unreimbursed talk with the family, they have made a decision to "wait a couple days" to make a final decision about a feeding tube or not.
And you wonder why our country is going bankrupt.
You have quality care and recommendations being refused by families. You have poor quality care delivered for no other reason than it must be delivered to avoid legal consequences, and you have Medicare sponsored reviews filled with anonymous peer to peer review without an appeals process making ridiculous claims about the quality of care delivered.
If this reviewer was my physician, I would be running for the hills. They have no business caring for patients.
Sunday, January 20, 2008
Who's Watching The Quality Puppets?
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re: "Who is monitoring the docs who monitor docs?"
In a word: nobody.
Reminds me of the medical director of a medicaid program who refused a youngish CVA patient going to rehab rather a SNF. PT/OT thought he would be a great candidate. I fought and fought. Another doc even called the medical board. Nothing happened. Off to the SNF. The director never saw the patient. A fucking crime and why I don't consider "medical directors" of medicaid/insurance programs real doctors. They are scumbags who have sold their soul's for $$$.
Was "Granny" admitted from a nursing home (that she can go back to) or had she been living with her family?
It's way easier to let your aging relative leave the hospital when they're going someplace where someone (else) is going to care for them.
My MIL, who passed away recently, had the good fortune to have a life care contract with a facility. So trips to-fro the hospital were a care-neutral event for us. In fact, we preferred she not be hospitalized because it was further from our home and harder to get to.
Perhaps your family needs some help with after-hospital care and that's is why they are dragging their feet about taking her home.
I feel your pain HH.
On a more trivial, but frequent note this is the kind of BS I have to deal with on a daily basis as I waste time getting a "peer-to-peer" review with respect to CT scan approvals. I can assure you that the "peer" is not a board-certified specialist in my field, with my years of experience. Anything less doesn't' really constitute a peer,does it?
I've spoken with MD's, nurses (?NP's) and once even with a secretary because the "peer" was too busy fielding other BS calls. I've not ONCE had my request for CT denied. So what the hell is the point of this exercise?
-Dr. Kranky
Happy -
I suspect the lawyers are whispering in the "quality" nerds' ears: "Kick 'em out against family's wishes and, bam, you're sued."
You assume there are rational beings within a bureaucracy who's very existence depends on the obfuscation of reality; to be rational as a bureaucrat is in itself an oxymoron.
My bet's on poor granny falling in the hospital (while attempting to eat her way back 7kg in 2 days) and Medicare leaving you all with the bill due to a "never event" hospital error. :) Ain't life grand?
I have nothing to add to the obvious stupidity of this decision or the clear abuse of resources when real sick people are down in an ED hallway waiting for a bed upstairs.
However, how much does the family hate Granny when they'd rather have her stay in the hospital, mightily scarfing hospital food down her gullet to get better? If food's the easiest (and cheapest) answer, wouldn't Granny prefer some home cookin'?! Yeeesh! ;)
And yet there are still some who argue that Medicare is not "socialized medicine."
Of course it is.
I have been home health nurse for YEARS! This is the typical patient who sucks the system dry because the family wants someone else to give the care and it's no longer SKILLED care, it's custodial.
They need a discharge planner to help them, but once they get home the home health agency will have hard time getting her off care as well.
They want Medicare to pay for her to have custodial care and that's not what it's for.
You did a great job in diagnosing her!!! Hopefully she will have improved quality of life when she gets her calories up.
The problem is not Medicare. The problem is no one wants to have to take care of and/or assist the elderly with their ADLs. Everyone's working.... who's going to stay home and babysit Grandma?
We all expect that Medicare should pay for custodial care (bathing, feeding etc.) while she "gets well" and can resume self care.
As long as the family can resist, they will. Buys them more time to avoid having to provide the care or worse yet.... pay out of pocket for someone to care for her.
Don't blame the quality guys... someone has to be the "bad guy" and make people accept their responsibility. Medicare and health insurance is NOT for custodial care.
Problem is no one plans for those events when someone gets too old or feeble to care for themself.... and is shocked to find that Medicare doesn't cover it!!
Hospitals are for acutely ill people. It's time for her to go home to finish convalescing.
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